Are you working too much for too little?

by Heather on July 13, 2011 · 87 comments

Today’s Guest Expert is Carrie Klassen,
Chief Creatrix at Pink Elephant Communications


3 COMMON MISTAKES GENEROUS ENTREPRENEURS MAKE
(THAT YOU CAN CHANGE TODAY WITHOUT LOSING YOUR NICENESS)

I’m feeling inspired to write about mistakes this week because lately so many of my own have been illuminated for me. I’m not sure if it’s the position of the planets or the change of the season or the barometric pressure but I am getting more and more (and more still) clear about all the beautiful ways I’ve completely screwed up. Let me tell you about three of them because if you’re just getting by, you might be making one or two of them too.

Mistake #1: Fearing the specific

When I first launched Pink Elephant Communications, I, like probably every entrepreneur before me, wanted to have the broadest appeal. Not because I was desperate or too eager (but I was definitely those things) but because I wanted to help everyone! I was good at lots of different things – all under the writing/design/marketing/consulting umbrella – which is a really big umbrella – and I was happy to tell people about them. I was afraid to get really specific because then I might turn people off – people who needed help.

HERE’S WHAT I LEARNED: Having your arms wide open to anyone leaves no one feeling especially cherished.

HERE’S WHAT I DID: I made a list of the work I LOVED to do and the work I didn’t. And I cut everything I didn’t love doing from my service list. It felt really good. Business picked up as it’s bound to do when you’re feeling happy and things were swell. But it didn’t take long before I was working too much. Well empty. Tuckered out. So I did the same thing as I had before, except with clients. I made a list of the types of clients who filled me up and the types that were a drain. And I rewrote my website and service offering to focus on the first group. People love focus. They’re sooooo drawn to it. Once I got super clear about who would be a good fit for Pink Elephant, those gorgeous people started showing up. They recognized themselves on my site and they wanted to work with me. I no longer do any advertising and rely mainly on my homepage to do the bulk of my marketing and sales for me. (You want to have a strong, speaks-clearly-for-you homepage. Critical.)

Mistake #2: Running an unkind business

A year ago, I would have called my business kind. The first e-book I wrote was even called 6 Ways to Attract Clients with Kindness. But I would have been wrong. My business was not kind. And this stung to realize. While Pink Elephant was very generous with her clients, she was not so sweet to me. In truth, I was the worst boss I ever had. (And there were a couple who were really, really bad.) I pushed myself to work long hours for less than minimum wage. I pushed myself to skip breakfast, to ignore my body when it ached and grumbled, to stop getting massages. I thought this was just how it had to be. “If you’re going to do what you love, there’s got to be some sacrifice, Carrie.”

HERE’S WHAT I LEARNED: You only have a truly heart-centric business if it’s good to your heart too.

HERE’S WHAT I DID: I made a long (scary) list of all of my expenses – both personal and business – and I added it up. Then I made a wish list; beside the first column of numbers, I wrote down what I’d like to be able to spend on all those things, like dinners out and gifts for friends, organic groceries instead of macaroni from a box. That was a bigger total. Then I tracked my work hours. In my business, like most, only about 25% of the hours are actually billable hours. The rest fill up with e- mail and invoicing and getting to the bank and all the other things I underestimated when I wrote my business plan. So that meant if I worked 40 hours in a week, I had to cover off all the expenses in the 10 billable hours available. As Dr. Phil says of budgeting, “It’s not magic; it’s math.” And the logic was reassuring. I didn’t have to make pricing decisions based on emotion or competitive analyses (I don’t actually believe in competition – a post for another day)… I could make them based on simple math. Just bringing awareness to how many hours my body and mind can work (during the scheduling exercise, I added in time for breaks, the gym, sleeping…) and how much revenue is needed led to a new-found ability to actually sustain myself. (And while I did lose one or two clients, I gained others. Really, really nice ones.)

Mistake #3: Bringing in reinforcements too late (or not at all)

You’ve heard this one a hundred times. Me too. But I ignored it. At my peril. When you’re working too much for too little, that’s when you need help the most, and when it requires the most courage to get it. I was drowning in e-mail. I did such a fine job with my website that I was getting work requests through it nearly every day. And I couldn’t keep up with the work requests and the work. So invoicing fell to the side. And you know what else falls to the side then? Revenue. I was just a mess. My clients got great work but my husband wasn’t seeing me, nor was my bank. I kept thinking I could get on top of it if I just worked another hour, or tried a little harder, or stopped reading Facebook messages from friends, or….

HERE’S WHAT I LEARNED: If you don’t have the proper supports in place, you don’t have a business; you’re running a hobby. (Ouch!)

HERE’S WHAT I DID: I asked colleagues if anyone could recommend a virtual assistant. In about 5 minutes, I had the name of the woman I’d fall in love with. From our first conversation Jess could finish my sentences. The first thing I did was give her the general inbox to manage. She’s our official “welcome ambassador” and she helps people who are new to Pink Elephant figure out what services might be best for them. It took a little time initially to bring Jess up to speed on everything (I had to get organized about my own processes) but, very quickly, having that extra support gave me more “Carrie hours” back – which I split between personal and business time. I was less frenzied. I could spend more time caring for my clients and the work we were doing together and I had more billable hours available to generate revenue. And my life began to look more like what I hoped it could be. (Gradually…. my husband would probably tell you I’m still a bit of a mess, but he’d say it with love.)

The other piece that has been so big for me is the investment of time, attention and money that I put into my website. My website is where I lean most heavily. Because of how it’s now structured, 99% of the people I hear from through the site have already decided they want to work with me when they get in touch. That feels great but it also saves so much time.

Other “supports” I’ve put in place are better processes. I now block admin tasks together (interrupting creative time to write an estimate was a drag). I’ve written specific intake forms for specific project types (instead of rewriting or re-asking the same questions with every client). I got help with a simple bookkeeping system. I bought a subscription to an invoicing program that saves me hours. I’m automating where I can because what I’ve learned is that I come alive when I’m doing the writing, the creative briefs, the meetings with clients. That is where I want to spend my time.

SO THERE YOU HAVE THEM… 3 OF MY MANY, MANY MISTAKES. I’m looking forward to this conversation with you all today and am happy to get more specific about anything above, to answer any questions you have (nothing is off limits) and to hear your ideas for each other (and, if you want to share them, the mistakes that kept your output and input out of balance).

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Carrie Klassen

Carrie Klassen runs two creative businesses dedicated to supporting women entrepreneurs. An award-winning copywriter and marketing strategist, Carrie writes marketing workbooks and runs workshops at Pink Elephant Academy for Entrepreneurs. Over at Pink Elephant Creative, she and her team create smart and beautiful, generous and kind websites (that sell!).  Carrie’s mission is to help women entrepreneurs raise their rates and communicate their offerings in a way that’s genuine, compelling, and beautiful.

Carrie loves to answer marketing questions for entrepreneurs at www.facebook.com/pinkelephantcommunications.

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  • Karen

    Hi Carrie and Heather, I’m going to be out for the day with my daughter (looking at a new retreat location;), but I wanted to pop in and say hi to you both! Heather, what a genius you are for creating this cafe, and now bring Carrie on over! 
    Carrie, I just wanted to say HOW VERY AWESOME i  think you are. Not only did you help me get clear on my website and help me write it so beautifully, but in the process, you really helped me shift my thinking about how I was marketing and speaking to my audience. I LOVE your niceness concept. I consider myself a really nice person and very loving, yet when I was trying to bang people over the head with why they should like me, it felt awful!  So thank you for that shift in perspective. You really are an inspiration.
    And secondly, I love your article above. I resonated with all of it and am so going to take your advice…especially the part about being nice to me;)  I have gotten much better about that and I couldn’t agree with you more – it makes me much better at what I do and it draws clients in like a magnet (the “I’ll have what she’s having” effect…if you, the biz owner, are happy and vibrant, prospective clients have confidence that you can help them get there too!). 
    And I agree with you – the minute i read your website, I KNEW that I was going to hire you. I didnt know your prices, I didn’t know much about you at all, but I still KNEW that you were the person to help me. I haven’t had that experience too often and I LOVE that a well-written home page can offer that to the “just right” client! (At least I hope I was one of your ‘just right” clients;)  
    Anyway, thanks again for your wisdom and sharing your beautiful approach with us today!
    Thanks to you too Heather!
    xoKaren

  • Michelle

    Wow Carrie!  Can you hear that? It’s the sound of my mind,  blowing, over what you wrote about running an unkind business.   Just reading about your number crunching made me feel alternately excited and extremely nervous.   This is a  good sign that I need to take a page from the book of Carrie and make some lists (which I do love to do) , instead of dreaming of indefinite sabbaticals in another lifetime.     Merci!

  • http://www.soulfilledlife.com Heather Gray

    Hello Carrie!! And hello cafe-ers.

    I love each one of these golden lessons, Carrie.
    And am excited for today’s cafe chat.

    I have also been excited for today’s cafe as I have been collaborating with Carrie and Pink E on some beautiful web changes here at Soul-filled life– the latest being over at http://soulfilledcafe.com.

    Karen and Michelle, great to “see” you here and for your lovely comments.
    I am also planning on wriing some lists out and doing some relecting in these Pink Elephant wisdom nuggets

    more soon,
    cheers

  • http://www.pinkelephantcommunications.com Carrie Klassen

    Hello, all! I’m back from my morning appointment and now officially “checked in” at the cafe. Let the herbal tea drinking begin! xo

  • http://www.pinkelephantcommunications.com Carrie Klassen

    I can totally hear it! That “my business isn’t kind” realization really struck me too. I felt a bit sad about it because I thought I’d caught myself in some hypocrisy… but on the other hand, it was really good to have “an excuse” to restructure things.

    I feel the same way about the number crunching. There tends to be a bit of dread. But I always, always feel better after I’ve put it all on paper. Cliche to say, but it’s fear of the unknown that gets us. Once you know, it’s not so scary.

    And yes yes yes! to the sabbatical scheduling!!

  • http://www.pinkelephantcommunications.com Carrie Klassen

    Oh, Karen, thank you for everything you’ve written here. YES!! you’re exactly my ideal client!  :)  

    When I look at my client roster today, it’s such a thing of joy for me. Everyone fits. We do different work and come from different parts of the world but we all “get” each other. When I overwork it’s because it doesn’t feel like work. I’m surrounded all day by the energy of positive, giving, passionate, caring people. I wish that for everyone! To spend your work hours surrounded by people who understand and appreciate you, people who are lit up. It’s awesome.

  • http://www.pinkelephantcommunications.com Carrie Klassen

    Thanks, Heather. I’m so glad to be here. :)

  • Adrienne

    Wow Carrie. Great article and things I am definitely going to take a close look at myself. This seems like a map to a healthier mind, body, spirit and business. LOVE!

  • Adrienne

    Btw Heather- It’s my first visit and I’m about to bookmark your site. It’s ~beautiful~ and Soul-filled Cafe is a great ‘find’!

  • http://www.pinkelephantcommunications.com Carrie Klassen

    Dear Adrienne, thank you so much. I really hope you will give yourself the time you deserve to examine this stuff. It’s so easy to brush aside (which I managed to do for years) but so important.

  • Nicole Moen

    Hi Carrie, Hi Heather – I’m really wanting to participate in this today! I’m off to the gym to clear cobwebs and raise energy and I’ll be back :)  
    Blessings from Victoria  . . . 

  • http://www.pinkelephantcommunications.com Carrie Klassen

    I’ve always wanted to go to Victoria! Your post is another reminder. Thanks, Nicole. Talk to you later!

  • David

    Hi Carrie,

    It’s David from Simple Road Reflexology in Edmonton! You helped me out during a seminar at a terrific little coffee shop last year.

    Carrie, I always can’t wait for your newsletters to come in because you echo most of the major concerns I have as a business owner–a trying-to-be-kind business owner.

    So I listen and I think and I work with the suggestions you make. And right now, getting paid for what I’m worth is hitting home. I don’t think I’m there yet because my business is still young and needs to build relationships and clients; and I need to be able to buy food!

    But I can see the day coming soon, when I will be working at what I love and getting paid for what I’m worth. With more direction from people like you and the Soul-filled Cafe, I’m bound to succeed!

    I’m not sure how to make the transition between getting people through the door with lower pricing and charging those worthwhile prices, however. Any suggestions?

  • Anonymous

    Good morning. Thanks so much for the great post leading the conversation today. I especially like that you mention needing to get a handle on your processes. As a professional organizer I really appreciate it whenever someone mentions setting themselves up for success. An added bonus is that it is so much easier to hand off a batch of work when you and your assistant both know the parameters of the work.

    The kindness thing – well, I’m still learning that but it gets easier all the time.

    The focus thing – I have been working on this as well, with some mixed results. The more I focus on the entrepreneurs working from home I get, the more inquiries I get about overhauling the whole house. I love it, they are all connected and I like the variety. Just fascinating that for years I struggled talking about it as setting up your home for success. Now that it’s workflow and eliminating the distraction for focus and productivity they all want closet and kitchen help.

    Sure wish this discussion had happened 10 years ago – it would have saved a bunch of time.

  • Nicole Moen

    Hmmm – well then, let’s talk Carrie because one of things I do is host people like you. I did that most recently with Alex and it was a big success and way fun to boot! I’ve got tons of event production experience from house concerts to 3 day full-on big-name speakers conferences.

  • Anonymous

    Hey Carrie & Heather!

    Carrie, I’m so happy to find you here!  I absolutely LOVE your work and am a huge fan!  Funny b/c you are so excellent in design and copywriting … I’m blown away by your biz article.  Love your style and the way you express yourself.  Love what you and Heather have created on her new site.  Can’t wait to see Karen’s when it’s complete.  Can’t wait to work with you too!

    Your fear of being specific is what I resonated with most (although the other two are WAAAYYY up there to!)  As a “dating coach” I started out thinking I could help all single women meet and marry their men.  As a result, I’m at risk of sounding like every other dating coach out there.  And most importantly … not attracting my ideal client. 

    This weekend I hosted a live event with five of my VIP clients.  Turns out we are all INFP’s in the Myers Briggs test!  BIG aha moment!  There she is … my ideal client!!!  Now I just need to hone my message to speak to her!  I would love to hear your ideas or suggestions on how you would approach that.

    While I’m waiting to hear back, I’ll concentrate on Mistake #2 … how I can run a kinder business :)  

    Thanks much!
    Cherry

  • Jane Davis-Munro

    Hi Carrie,  What a wonderful discussion!  I loved that you were able to sit and reflect on what was not working and then found solutions.  We so easily get caught up in the day to day and never find that time for reflection let alone finding a solution.  You have inspired me to step back and make some lists.  I have been in business for 25 years and although I continue to strive to makit continure to grow I am also at the point where I would like it to be able to run with me not having to be here everyday

  • http://www.pinkelephantcommunications.com Carrie Klassen

    Hi David! You know what’s funny? I was just looking at your business card this morning and wishing you were in Toronto because I’d love to start booking regular reflexology treatments again. If you ever move, let me know. :)  

    I know that it’s scary to raise your rates because it feels like no one will book with you and, as you write, you DO have to eat. (I can relate, truly.) You don’t want to be triple what anyone else is charging, of course. But you have to structure your business in a way that it sustains you and your clients. 

    What I recommend for my clients is to create packages. What OUTCOMES can you provide that you feel super confident about? Build 3 packages around these outcomes, each requiring different time commitments (to meet your clients “where they are”) and each priced accordingly. So, say you’ve found your treatments to be amazing for people with digestive orders, you might create the Feel Better Belly package that includes one treatment per week for a month (or whatever number you would require to help someone feel better)? You might create a 3-month package that’s all about de-stressing. What would you include in that to help someone going through some big deal stress to handle it more gracefully without compromising her health? Or maybe it’s a Break-up Package? Maybe you even team up with a hairdresser to create something like that – a new hairstyle, a closet cleanup with a local stylist and 3 months of reflexology to help mend a broken heart. Collaborating that way can have its challenges (make sure to structure clearly) but it can also introduce you to new clients. 

    You could have so much fun with this. You know who you like to work with best. What do they need most that you can give? 

    Then your next step would be to make sure who you serve and how are clearly articulated on your site.

    After that, build your community. Do you have a free gift on your website for people who sign up? Make sure it’s truly generous. Something helpful and your best stuff. Don’t hold back. (People can feel it if you’re holding back.) Then communicate with that list. Help them feel like they know you. And use that list to share your offers. One offer might be your “package one” – if you have space in your practice, you might decide to offer a bonus treatment for the first 6 people to book. 

    Never be pushy, but don’t be afraid to offer genuine encouragement with your offers. Especially if you’re in the health field. We so often put ourselves last on the priority list that if someone gives us a gentle nudge, that might just be what we need to finally take care of ourselves. It’s not selfish on your part… done sincerely, it can be exactly the opposite.

    It’s by being specific that more people will start coming through the door. Honest! People are SO attracted to FOCUS. And you only need one or two new right-for-you clients – the ones who love what you do and how you do it and pay a sustainable rate for it – to begin to fill your practice. Then word of mouth kicks in. So often, I think we think we have to fill our entire practice with new people, one at a time, but that’s not the case. You just have to get one or two who are a perfect fit and if you do a good job, they’ll share you with their circles.

    The alternative is discounting your services to get people in the door. And that’s fine if you can afford it. But understand that word of mouth marketing will kick in there too. And you will fill your practice with people who like a deal. And I love a deal – so this isn’t to knock deal-seekers but if your discounted pricing doesn’t allow you the kind of life you want, then your business isn’t sustainable and you won’t be able to help these people for as long as you’d like.

    Know what I’m saying?  What do you think?

  • http://www.pinkelephantcommunications.com Carrie Klassen

    Miriam, I have so much respect for personal organizers! Having systems in place is so important for everyone but I think especially entrepreneurs and ESPECIALLY entrepreneurs who work from home. 

    People LOVE focus. As I wrote to David, it is super attractive. And I’ve noticed the same thing in my business as yours (although to a lesser extent). Website writing and design is the heart of what I do, but people will still call and ask me to help with signage and advertising and letters to politicians and truck design (that was a cool request) and I love it because I can do all of those things …. but what’s really ideal is that the PEOPLE who are asking for these things are the kind of people I want to work with. 

    I’m so glad you posted because so often clients are afraid to hang their hat on one thing because they’re afraid they’ll turn others off, but that’s almost never what happens. 

    I love “Simplicity Expert”. :)

  • http://www.pinkelephantcommunications.com Carrie Klassen

    Hmmm… maybe I do Victoria before Seattle?

  • http://www.soulfilledlife.com Heather Gray

    Hi Jane — what is the business that you have been in for 25 years?  

  • http://www.soulfilledlife.com Heather Gray

     Wow Cherry!  That is a WONDERFUL insight about the INFP’s.  I had no idea you were an INFP — that is my personality type as well.  Ok — you are helping me have some of my own realizations about the fact that I know I attract sensitive introverts as well.

    Can’t wait to see what you and Carrie create together.  And I have been loving your video series.

    Thanks for being here.  Always love virtual chats with you.

    xoxo

  • http://www.soulfilledlife.com Heather Gray

     Wow Cherry!  That is a WONDERFUL insight about the INFP’s.  I had no idea you were an INFP — that is my personality type as well.  Ok — you are helping me have some of my own realizations about the fact that I know I attract sensitive introverts as well.

    Can’t wait to see what you and Carrie create together.  And I have been loving your video series.

    Thanks for being here.  Always love virtual chats with you.

    xoxo

  • http://www.soulfilledlife.com Heather Gray

    Yay.  Excited to havey ou here Nicole. 
    I’ve been to Victoria once and have to say you live in one of the BEST locale’s in the world.
    xx

  • http://www.soulfilledlife.com Heather Gray

    I am seeing a Victoria P.E. workshop in you future Carrie….just a guess  :)

  • http://www.soulfilledlife.com Heather Gray

    I am seeing a Victoria P.E. workshop in you future Carrie….just a guess  :)

  • http://www.soulfilledlife.com Heather Gray

    Thanks so much Adrienne!   Love having you here.

    If you sign up for the Soul-filled Cafe updates –we will keep you posted on the Cafe schedule of guest experts  (http://soulfilledcafe.com)  ~xx

  • http://www.pinkelephantcommunications.com Carrie Klassen

    Oh, Cherry! I just got chills. I am an INFJ (who sometimes comes up as an INFP)!  We’re totally each other’s people.  :)

    For the month of February, I offered an online dating profile-writing service and I loved it but it was such tender work I knew I couldn’t keep it up full-time one-on-one, but I’m in the process of turning it into a workshop to launch later this month. I’m telling you this because as an INFJ, I loved online dating. And it was hugely successful for me. I dated men I never would have met otherwise and eventually one of them was the awesome man I married. What I tell my clients to do in marketing their businesses is also what I think INFJ/Ps excel at naturally in the dating world. We’re self-aware, intuitive, inwardly developed. In my case, I’m an excellent listener and I really like to digest before responding. So in my profile, I told would-be suitors that they should expect awkward silences. I shared other quirks. And I ended up hanging out with men who were cool with those sorts of quirks. But I wouldn’t have guessed that starting out back into the dating world, when I was feeling pretty icky.

    So what if you became the champion of pain-free dating for introverts? None of that is the right phrasing but as a concept, it could be so big. What an invitation to play to strengths! So many of us feel really vulnerable when we’re dating and for sensitive people, the intensity is doubled… But if you could help me see that that’s actually a dating superpower, that could be pretty awesome.

    Are you familiar with Susan Cain? She’s definitely worth following on FB: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Susan-Cain/121126267960423

    She wrote a book I haven’t read yet but love the title: QUIET: The Power of Introverts in a World that Can’t Stop Talking.

    I just LOVE the idea of your cheering intuitive women through the adventure of dating. There is so much there.

    I don’t know that I’ve answered your question other than to yell (quietly) a GREAT BIG YESSSSS!!!

  • http://www.pinkelephantcommunications.com Carrie Klassen

    Jane, you’re so right. It’s hard to find the time. To make the time. I think it’s easier for me than many others because Keith, my husband, works such unconventional hours. So when I was at the computer for what felt like days on end, he was noticeably not working. It was a good reminder that things were out of balance.

    25 years! That’s amazing, Jane. You’ve got more entrepreneurial experience than most of us here. What would you say your big lessons have been? What advice would you give women entrepreneurs at year 5? What would you tell yourself 20 years ago, given all you know now?

  • http://www.pinkelephantcommunications.com Carrie Klassen

    Everyone, it’s lunchtime here in Toronto so I’m following my own advice and stepping out for a bite to eat and some fresh air. I hope everybody gets a chance to stretch their legs too. Be back soon! 

  • http://www.soulfilledlife.com Heather Gray

    Are you a herbal tea drinker?  I’ve always wanted to only want “herbal tea” in the morning…but coffee is my BFF in the a.m. 

    What’s your tea of choice? 

  • http://www.soulfilledlife.com Heather Gray

    ALSO — TEA –  often has GREAT copy.  You know Carrie — I related YOU and
    PINK ELEPHANT’s copy writing and beautiful caring of the details for
    women entrepreneurs’ websites  to cool copy I see on products like organic popcorn and
    tea bags.  Those products where I find myself dreamily reading every
    last word of inspirational thoughts on my tea box or the back of the popcorn bag  (about the Wisconsin Cheddar cheese they dunked their organic popcorn into, and their love for their product,
    and that they CARE about the world and what I am putting in my mouth and
    giving me the best most loved product . . . and some quirky thing or two about them and their family run business

    Oh my –it so WORKS.  I feel better
    having read the popcorn bag and feel better eating it and willing to pay
    $1 more for it, etc.  I think you do the same for WEBSITES. And it
    Sooooo stands apart from some of the more generic persuasion copy that we see often (that relies on making you feel bad about not buying it).

  • http://www.soulfilledlife.com Heather Gray

    Karen — I love reading this.  You have gone through such a wonderful evolution of really owning your own brilliance and really stepping into exactly what you want to be doing (and letting go of what you don’t)  I am just loving watching it all unfold!!  

    Can’t wait to see your new website and good luck with the retreat location hunt.  Fun!  

  • http://www.soulfilledlife.com Heather Gray

    I heart Reflexology! 

    So nice to meet you David. Thanks for bringing yourself and your biz to the Cafe today!!  Great to have you here.   :)

  • Nicole Moen

    Maybe! When are you in Seattle? What’s a P.E. workshop? :)

  • Nicole Moen

    Thanks Heather :) It is rather nice here. Though I have to say that this year has been very weird weather-wise. Virtually no summer weather. A day or a half day here and there, but nothing that has settled in and stayed like it usually does. It feels like perpetual fall! I’m glad to be heading onto the mainland and into Alberta on Sunday – hopefully we’ll get some heat there!

  • http://www.soulfilledlife.com Heather Gray

    Woot!  Sensitive Introverts high-five. :)

    There is definitely a nice synergy btwn  INFP’ and INFJ’s.  Two of my favorite bloggers are INFJ’s– if you don’t know them Carrie, you may want to check them out:
    Live Your Truth’s Elizabeth Potts Weinstein  http://elizabethpottsweinstein.com/
    Sarah Robinson:  http://www.escaping-mediocrity.com/

    xx

  • Bettina

    Hi Carrie and Heather. I just wanted to stop by and say hello! Heather, you have a beautiful website which I’ll be adding to my favorites and Carrie, you are always inspiring and so generous in your spirit and yourself in everything you do. I have been inspired by you in many ways, including rewriting my website (to undergo another rewriting as we speak). Thank you for being you!

  • http://www.soulfilledlife.com Heather Gray

    You have a beautiful website Miriam. Great to have you here!!
    Do you know my friend and colleague, Sue Rasmussen?  http://unclutter-organize-transform.com

    Curious which type of organizing YOU enjoy the most?  The house overhaul or the work flow?  Or perhaps even something else? 

     

  • http://www.soulfilledlife.com Heather Gray

    Bon Appetite

  • Erin Psota

    Hi Cherry, and Carrie and Heather…

    You might consider incorporating a (short version?) Myers Briggs assessment on your website, or as your first mail out when people sign up for your newsletters.  

    Not only do people love quizzes, it might help you catch more INFP’s who don’t know that they’re INFP’s yet, and it might also help you (and your clients) gain insight to the other introverts you can help.

    Just a thought. :)
    Erin 
    (an ISFJ with an ENFP hubby)

  • http://www.AwakeningtoGrace.org Transform

    Hi,
    I love this cafe! I’ve stopped by on other occasions but this is my first post.
    I’m a solo-preneur who’s starting her 2nd online biz. I sold the first one last summer, after 14 years in biz! I learned a lot from that experience but I’m feeling like I’m still a beginner LOL!
    Today I’m working on defining my niche, so the discussion is very timely for me. I’m fascinated to hear the talk about being INFP/Js. Me too! When you think about each of these groups as representing only about 3-4% of the population, it’s pretty interesting that we’re gathering here today.
    So, everyone, what are some more hot ideas for claiming, announcing and sharing our natural INFP/J gifts with the world?? I like the ones I’ve read so far and I’ll toss in a few, too, as the day goes by. Who else wants to play?

  • http://www.morethanorganized.net Miriam Ortiz y Pino

    Heather, I have heard tell of Sue but have not yet met her. I will do that. Thanks for the compliments on my site. The perfectionist in my says there is still work to do – oh just like everything else – but it’s getting close.

    I love setting up the systems. I used to prefer the whole house but lately I like the instant gratification of workflow. It’s all connected and I like the variety I get to have when one system leads to the next one.

  • http://www.morethanorganized.net Miriam Ortiz y Pino

    Great point Carrie. It’s weird how focus can lead to more variety.

    Focus on a particular niche is helping to make all my marketing and communications much easier to construct therefore saving me tons of time. I can even hand some of the writing off when I need too.

    The best part of being a Simplicity Expert is that I made it up after 20+ years of figuring out what I wanted to be when I grew up.

  • http://www.pinkelephantcommunications.com Carrie Klassen

    Oh my goodness, Bettina, you’re very kind to me. I can’t wait to read what you write. Can you give us all a hint here and post something about what you’re up to? (I have a feeling you’ll find some supporters in the “cafe”!)  :)

  • http://www.pinkelephantcommunications.com Carrie Klassen

    There’s a little Indian place up the road and the owner makes us a special thali lunch because he knows my favourite dishes, and also that I cannot stomach coriander. It amazes me that he remembers.  :)

  • http://www.pinkelephantcommunications.com Carrie Klassen

    Thanks, Heather. I will check them out. We seem to have the same good taste in people.  :)

  • http://www.pinkelephantcommunications.com Carrie Klassen

    Isn’t that the best?! My job is totally made up too. I used to bounce between “creative” jobs and “strategic” jobs and always craved both… so that’s what I’ve got now. It can be hard being an entrepreneur but there are some awesome perks!

  • http://www.soulfilledlife.com Heather Gray

    Welcome to the conversation!! And to the INFP/J club we seem to be launching here today.  I am finding it fascinating as well.  Wow — only 3-4% of the population, I did not know that. 

    As an idea, I’ve noticed that people will include there Myers-Brigg type in their bio.  I think that is brilliant and may start doing that…as a sort of flag for other INFP’ers. 

    I also really love the idea of a QUIZ.  going to look into that one.

    Look forward to hearing what you come up with.

    ~x

  • http://www.soulfilledlife.com Heather Gray

    Oooo, you are making me hungry.  Ok — I am off for a bit of a break and food.  :)  

    Thanks Carrie for all you are providing today.  Loving it. 

  • http://www.pinkelephantcommunications.com Carrie Klassen

    A Pink Elephant workshop.  :)  I lead a workshop where I take entrepreneurs through the writing of their homepage. It’s called How to Write a Homepage Your Ideal Client Will Adore. (It’s also an e-book for self-directed types.) I’m also working on a workshop that will help entrepreneurs structure their services and pricing, since a lot of us struggle with that piece. I don’t have a firm date set for Seattle but if it happens, it’s definitely some weeks away. Anybody  have any tips for cheap flights?

  • http://www.pinkelephantcommunications.com Carrie Klassen

    I like coffee but I can only drink it if I don’t need to sleep for the next two days. It makes me a little crazy. So I drink a lot of green tea. It always feels so healthy. Lately I’ve gotten into mixing my own herbal teas. There’s a store in Edmonton called Earth’s Aromatique that totally inspired me while I was visiting. It’s beautiful and they have gorgeous shelves full of ingredients! Plus, the herbs all look so pretty lined up in their side-by-side mason jars.  :)

  • http://www.pinkelephantcommunications.com Carrie Klassen

    We’re a very select group, it’s true! 

    I wrote an article about “finding your niche” not too long ago that might be useful? 
    http://www.pinkelephantacademy.com/2011/06/my-no-fail-one-step-exercise-for-helping-entrepreneurs-figure-out-their-niche/

    What are your businesses, Transform?

  • http://www.pinkelephantcommunications.com Carrie Klassen

    Oh, thank you, Heather. This cafe of yours is one gorgeous love-in! It means so very much when someone says, “This is what I think you do” and it’s exactly right. It’s a special thing to feel understood. I DO want my websites to feel like friendly tea bag wrappers. That’s SO what I’m about.  :)

  • Nicole Moen

    Brilliant! Let me know how the dates work out for you and message me on FB or email and we’ll see what we can do . . . . .

  • http://www.AwakeningtoGrace.org Saranagati

    LOL! I went to your website today as a first step of checking out what you’re up to, and I was actually starting to do that meditation about the people in my living room, and I couldn’t get past the fact that I’m thinking seriously about moving (so I couldn’t visualize my living room…plus I’m such an Introvert that I live remotely and rarely have people over). It all led to great things, including getting clearer on the move.

    The INF thing may give me the words and images I need for targeting my niche, and so I’m going to go to work on it and won’t be back here for a few hours. I can post what I come up with. It would be interesting to get feedback.

  • http://www.AwakeningtoGrace.org Transform

    PS: My first business was writing and selling continuing education home study courses to nationally certified massage therapists and bodyworkers (in the US). The biz I’m creating now is to awaken the shaman within…helping people honor and move forward on their soul’s journey.

  • http://www.AwakeningtoGrace.org Transform

    I just did a quick search and came up with 2 quick, free quizzes. I was an INFP on both.

    My favorite was this one: http://haleonline.com/psychtest/

  • http://www.pinkelephantcommunications.com Carrie Klassen

    Yes, please! Do post. This a very friendly, supportive crowd. Good luck with the writing!

  • Nicole Moen

    Finally have a moment to “be” here. I too am an INFJ/P actually I’m an E/INF/P – a fence-sitter really. I love these common languages that help us to understand aspects of each other in short-hand. 

    I remember a conversation once, years ago, with a friend, I said to her, So, I’m an INFP, a dragon (chinese horoscope), a gemini, an KAVAd (Representational Systems about how we take in and process information), a 6 with a 7 wing on the Enneagram . . . . what does that make me? She said, of course, Well I think that make you you! 

  • Nicole Moen

    Just did the quiz posted and came up ENFP, but that first question was really tough! So I chose for today. :) Thanks for posting, it’s been a long time since I’ve done one.

  • http://TheManifestationMaven.com Kimberly Schneider

    Hello Carrie and Heather!

    What a great conversation you have going on here! I’m an ENFJ by the way, so hello to all you “NF” friends at the cafe today…

    Carrie I love your insight about a business not being kind if it is not kind to the person who owns/runs it.  A couple of years ago, I would have told you that I was kind to myself, but I was deluded! I thought that because I was doing work that I loved, and getting bodywork, eating right, seeing friends, etc. I was being kind to myself. 

    Truth was, I didn’t know how to take time off.  Yes, I had flexibility in my work and I was in charge of my schedule.  But as you said about yourself, Carrie, I was a terrible boss for myself! I did not know how to turn off my mind and just be (this in spite of the fact that I meditated every day).  Part of the problem in working from home is that I was never really away from work!

    This had some definite repercussions: it affected how I was feeling about work.  I was so burned out that for several weeks I did virtually nothing outside of coaching sessions beyond watching 7 seasons of Grey’s Anatomy….it was time for a change. 

    I’ve taken lots of steps to start disconnecting from my “must be productive” side, and then this summer I did the most drastic thing of all: I took the summer off from coaching to be with my kids! I was shocked to realize I’d never done this before.  I’m having a ball.  And yes, I am still working a bit here and there as Spirit moves (I’m delving into the non-profit world for the first time coordinating an effort to bring some Irish musicians to my home state for a Celtic Soul Experience, which is fun and requiring just a few hours a week at the moment). 

    So mostly Carrie I just want to say THANK YOU for reminding me how important it is to take care of me.  When I don’t do it, I suffer, and my business suffers.  And I’m just not as happy!

    By the way Carrie I am excited to see that you are starting to do some more custom web design work and you may be hearing from me….I love what you and Heather created together for her site.  Blessings, kimberly

  • http://www.pinkelephantcommunications.com Carrie Klassen

    Kimberly, thank you so much for sharing this. I LOVE that you’re taking the summer off. I’m sure that wasn’t an easy decision to make but when you do something like that, others see it, and you make it possible for them too. And what a model for your children!  Wow. Congratulations.

    The work from home thing is a special challenge all its own, isn’t it? I thought that I’d be fine with the work/home separation but I really haven’t managed it all that well. I made such a stand about not having a Blackberry (and being 100% e-mail accessible) when I left the corporate world… but then I practically moved into my office. Ha! 

    I rented p/t office space in a converted loft but it’s a shared space and quite noisy and I’m a person who needs uninterrupted stretches of quiet to do her best work. So I’ve defaulted to working mostly in my office at home again. Your post has me wondering if a proper outside office might be more important than I first realized. 

    My home office is half office and half meditation room and altar. I like having all those aspects of myself together, but what if this desk became the home of my personal writing instead of work writing, and I took that outside the home? Hmmmmm…. you have me daydreaming….

    Thank you for the inspiration. (And thanks for noticing the change in my business – I secretly “launched” Pink Elephant Creative just today! – even though I’ve been doing writing and design for years… it needed its own special home. I would love to collaborate when you’re back in the saddle.)

  • David

    Again, Carrie, you described perfectly where I’m at right now. AND offered some great advice that I will definitely use to create those packages people can find more value in.

    It’s interesting because I’ve had a few suggestions from my own clients recently about how I might add to my treatment with little things like a pre-session foot soak, or an add-on treatment using my acupressure skills.

    The great thing I’ve found is that my clients are becoming the ones who are defining my business. I just need to listen to them as well as I can and I feel that success will be built right in!

    Thanks again, Carrie. I’ll keep you posted….

  • http://www.pinkelephantcommunications.com Carrie Klassen

    Definitely do! I’d love to hear. 

  • http://www.pinkelephantcommunications.com Carrie Klassen

    I’ll slip in and answer for Jane while she’s away. She runs a beautiful dance arts studio in the east end of Toronto. It’s called Pegasus Studios and she has some of the most impressive testimonials for a business I’ve ever come across. Here’s one of my favourites:  ”Dancing makes my heart feel good.  Thanks for being wonderful, thanks for being you, thanks for a wonderful recital.  -Gabrielle,  5 years old” 

  • http://www.unclutter-organize-transform.com/ Sue Rasmussen

    Wow, what an amazing day at the cafe! Carrie and Heather, this is SOOOOOO much fun.

    Carrie, I absolutely love what you wrote in your article. Every single word.

    I especially resonated with what you wrote about taking a good, hard look at everything you were offering in your business, and letting go of what you didn’t LOVE. It seems like I go through that process with my own business every couple of months…and I end up letting go of programs I have developed that no longer feel like a fit with my ‘circle of focus,’ clients I don’t “click” with, ways of working that wear me out or drain my energy…you name it!

    Thank you so much, Carrie and Heather, for this wonderful day. And a big thank you to everyone else who posted as well…I feel like I’m part of a wonderful “not-so-big-tribe” (to use your great language, Heather) of amazing people!

    Lots of love,
    Sue

  • http://www.AwakeningtoGrace.org Transform

    I’m back. I’d love to hear your responses to these phrases.
    Which are most real and charged for you?
    What are fun, to-the-point ways of saying some of these??

    - it’s hard to make assertive stands on my behalf
    - I prefer deep, close, long-term relationships
    - I feel critical or disappointed when life doesn’t match my ideals
    - I love feeling visionary and future-oriented
    - I often find myself over-committed, under-appreciated or under-estimated
    - when it comes to expressing my feelings, I’d rather write them than speak them
    - I delay making progress because I’m holding out for perfection
    - it’s vital to me that I’m gentle, compassionate and contributing to the greater good
    - I find myself either over- or under- considering other people’s perspectives
    - I’m creative, flexible and flowing and I’m also persistent and determined (LOL!)
    - I’m somehow able to ignore reality and stay loyal to things that aren’t working for me anymore
    - I need to live in integrity and honesty… and have fun!

  • http://www.pinkelephantcommunications.com Carrie Klassen

    There are a few goodies for sure. I blushed a little at “better at writing my feelings than speaking them” – yep, that’s me. My favourite is: I’m somehow able to ignore reality and stay loyal to things that aren’t working for me anymore. I like the sense of humour and the willingness to self-tease.

  • http://www.pinkelephantcommunications.com Carrie Klassen

    Thanks so much for writing, Sue. We’ve been crossing paths at a distance for some time. I like being part of this not-so-big tribe. This has been a beautiful place to spend a day. Heather has a gift for creating space. A rare gift.

  • http://www.pinkelephantcommunications.com Carrie Klassen

    Dear fellow entrepreneurs, this has been a true pleasure. There’s such special energy on this page. 

    I am feeling all warm and fuzzy as the afternoon sun lowers through my office window, telling me it’s time to step away from the computer and get some dinner.I would love to stay connected after today. You are always welcome to post marketing questions for me on my Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/pinkelephantcommunications and I’ll answer as quickly as I can. In addition to getting my advice, you will also get the support of another really lovely community. :) Heather, thank you so much for inviting me here today and letting me clink mugs with your beautiful circle of kindred spirits.
    Thank you, thank you. And good night from Toronto! xo

  • http://www.soulfilledlife.com Heather Gray

    Good nigt and a BIG thank you Carrie. What a lovely day of conversation and surprising insight re: personality type and this tribe.

    I am looking forward to exploring that more.
    Thanks to everyone for contributing your brilliance.

    Bye for now…

    *hugs*

  • http://www.soulfilledlife.com Heather Gray

    Thanks for posting these!!

  • http://www.soulfilledlife.com Heather Gray

    Nicole, Ijust love that list of various measures. How cool. And some new to me

    I am facinated by the enneagram. I think I need to feature an expert on that at the cafe.
    I find that tool super insightful

    another to add to your list is hand analysis. (I am school of love and peace with a life purpose “spiritual teacher with heart”). Have you ever had your hands read?

    thanks for sharing your uniqueness with us at the cafe!

  • http://www.soulfilledlife.com Heather Gray

    Thanks Erin! EXCELLENT idea. Yes.

  • Anonymous

    Heather, it’s no surprise to me at all that we’re both INFPs!  No wonder we relate so well!  

    What a wonderful day at the Soul filled cafe!  

    Can’t wait to catch up!

    Love, Cherry

  • Anonymous

    Carrie, this is BRILLIANT!  Love the synergy and personality discoveries!

    Thank you so much for sharing your on-line dating experience.  What great tips and insight you gift for expressing who you are and attracting your man!  Love it!

    Thank you so also for your suggestions re: marketing to introverts.  I want to work with women who desire to blossom and let themselves be fully expressed … on-line, in person and in all their relationships … especially romance!

    I look forward to checking out Susan Cain and her book … and most certainly connecting with you again.

    You are definitely “my people!” :)

    Have a great day!
    Cherry

  • Anonymous

    Thanks, Erin.

    This is a great idea … and one I would not have thought of.  I appreciate you sharing it!!  

    Have a great day!
    Cherry

  • Anonymous

    Fantastic!  Another one :)

  • http://TheManifestationMaven.com Kimberly Schneider

    Thank you Carrie I look forward to connecting with you about my site!

    I did have a beautiful office outside my home for some time, but I found I could only make myself stay there when I was meeting with clients (must be the “E” in my ENFJ; I found I am most productive with creative work like writing, etc. when I am in a coffee shop–by myself working, but surrounded with people–or, with another person who is working on their own stuff).

    Will love to hear how you resolve the home office issue!

    Blessings and thanks for all your wisdom today.  I’ve really enjoyed reading the posts, kimberly
     

  • http://www.soulfilledlife.com Heather Gray

    Thanks for sharing the quizzes.  such a fun add to the cafe conversation. :)

  • Jane

    Hi Carrie and Heather, Sorry to have left the conversation yesterday and thanks Carrie for your reply. Great questions! I think I would say my biggest lessons and what I would advise entrepreneurs 5 years into their business would be, do what you love and the money will come.  If you are doing it only for the money you will give up before that happens.  Continue to be willing to ask questions and learn from everyone.  Never think you know it all!  Carrie your lessons learned are of great value.  Be kind, pick your clients wisely and do not be afraid to let the ones that drain you go.  There are  many more, but this is a small space!

  • http://www.kldesign.com Kyle

    Hello Carrie, 
    From the perspective of someone who has run a small creative business for many many years, this an excellent, very honest peice. (And I love the way you write.) Reading it reminded me of issues I’ve often faced myself, sometimes over and over again. If you are looking for more perspective on creative business management, recourses.com is worth a look for some free whitepapers on billable hours, defining roles and shaping a creative/marketing business. Its been a useful, outside perspective for me.  
    Best, Kyle

  • http://www.kldesign.com Kyle

    Hello Carrie, 
    From the perspective of someone who has run a small creative business for many many years, this an excellent, very honest peice. (And I love the way you write.) Reading it reminded me of issues I’ve often faced myself, sometimes over and over again. If you are looking for more perspective on creative business management, recourses.com is worth a look for some free whitepapers on billable hours, defining roles and shaping a creative/marketing business. Its been a useful, outside perspective for me.  
    Best, Kyle

  • http://www.kldesign.com Kyle

    Hello Carrie, 
    From the perspective of someone who has run a small creative business for many many years, this an excellent, very honest peice. (And I love the way you write.) Reading it reminded me of issues I’ve often faced myself, sometimes over and over again. If you are looking for more perspective on creative business management, recourses.com is worth a look for some free whitepapers on billable hours, defining roles and shaping a creative/marketing business. Its been a useful, outside perspective for me.  
    Best, Kyle

  • http://www.kldesign.com Kyle

    Hello Carrie, 
    From the perspective of someone who has run a small creative business for many many years, this an excellent, very honest peice. (And I love the way you write.) Reading it reminded me of issues I’ve often faced myself, sometimes over and over again. If you are looking for more perspective on creative business management, recourses.com is worth a look for some free whitepapers on billable hours, defining roles and shaping a creative/marketing business. Its been a useful, outside perspective for me.  
    Best, Kyle

  • Anonymous

    Interesting discussion. Love the thread.

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